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24 Italians In America from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

In researching and writing my book on Giuseppe and Anita Garibaldi and the unification of Italy (A Man Of Action Saving Liberty: A Novel Based On The Life Of Giuseppe Garibaldi) I re-discovered the first American female war correspondent – Margaret Fuller — who I had first met in a college course on the Transcendentalists. I was once again fascinated by a life lived purposefully.

Then I found Tammy Rose’s podcast on the Transcendentalists – Concord Days – and was delighted when she asked me to guest for a discussion of Fuller’s work in Italy as both a journalist – and a nurse. — Rosanne

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

Transcript:

I was just going to say, yes, I wouldn’t exactly use the word parallel because of course Italians were never slaves but actually, some who were shipped here were mistakenly sold into slavery because they could speak the language and nobody understood and they were dark. There are stories of that and of course, the biggest lynching — the most — the largest mass lynching in America happened to a group of Italian men in Louisiana. That’s post-slavery now. Yeah it was and they weren’t considered white because of that now and largely we’re talking about southern Italians, Sicilians, and southern Italians because northern Italians look more swiss. They look more german. They are blonder and blue-eyed. It’s Frank Sinatra versus Dean Martin. So any group that comes into this country, sadly, we sort of do the whole oh you’re at the bottom of the barrel. It would say you know no dogs or dagos allowed you know. No dagos should apply for this job. There was discrimination. I’m two generations away from that so it didn’t happen to me but I understood that it happened to my grandfather and I understood how that got in his way.

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23 Why Return to the US? from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

Transcript:

Tammy: So here’s a question that I’m never really sure. Were they were coming for a visit or were they coming to move permanently or was it sort of…

Rosanne: I believe the idea was they were going to move permanently because she could do more work there and she wanted to publish the book and it had to be published in the United States. So even if — yeah maybe not permanent the wrong way to say it — it was going to be a period of time so that piece could be done and the kind of — she knew that the United States needed to come and support what was happening in Italy as well. So I think it’s twofold. Her career is gonna move forward with this and he’s thinking he’s gonna help get the kind of support because Garibaldi lived in the states for a little bit too after one of his failures. So he knew that if you got people there on your side you would have the support you needed. So they had business reasons, as well as I’m sure she kind of wanted to show off her kid to her friends, because as you said earlier, that wasn’t part of her planned life story and when I was a kid I was never going to have kids because I thought that’s not something I want to do and then Ii changed my mind at 32 because a writer friend of mine actually said if you want to be a writer and you want all the experiences that a writer can have, you’re turning down an experience that only half the planet can have and it was it a conversation which again makes me think about Margaret talking to these women. What are the possibilities in your life and what have you told yourself you should or shouldn’t do based on what society will say about you and I did think having a kid would get in the way of having a career and then I realized no because you could do it your way and Margaret did right I think in that moment, in those periods in her life, she was really happy and I think that was you know the other reason she wanted to come back and show everybody, look I did it all.

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22 Giovanni Angelo, Marchese Ossoli from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

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Tammy: So talk about him (Giovanni Angelo) a little bit more because I feel like he’s sort of this figure and you know I want to imagine him in my mind as sort of like this you know super handsome — maybe not the rich guy but you know definitely — the man of quality that we all aspire to meet.

Rosanne: Well he went against his family as well because they were not for the united unification of Italy. So he lost his he — they wrote him off if you will. So that’s why it doesn’t have any money. He’s not going to inherit any and the family does have lands and all that stuff but they were against the unification and many people were because they were happy with whichever country was running their section of Italy or they didn’t appreciate the king and they didn’t want the king to be king over all of Italy or lots of different reasons that they were against it and so yeah they write him off and because he married her and she wasn’t Catholic and this is huge obviously back in the day.

I actually tell the story. My mom put together her brother — three children of Sicilian immigrants — only one son — my mother put her brother together with a woman who wasn’t Catholic and they fell in love and they got married. She did become Catholic because you know she converted because she knew she had to but on the day of the wedding my mother was a maid of honor. My grandmother was tying the bow on her dress and as she walked out into the church the last thing her mother said to her was I’ll never forgive you for this. That was 1950 in America. That was like you this is a mismatched marriage.

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21 The Husband from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

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…But she (Anita Garibaldi) knew that she had created her children and that she lived a life of love. Which is true of Margaret as well. She found a man, as you said earlier, that she could love who loved her for who she was and didn’t expect her to give that up in order to be his wife, and that had to be crazy because he was an Italian, right? He’s from an earlier era. We’re not even talking about feminism in Italy at the time. So that fact that he was open to that..he is a fascinating character that we, of course, lost any chance to understand more deeply through her.

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20 What Might Have Been? from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

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Tammy: Exactly because I think she was coming back to participate in a lot of the early feminist or like women’s like Suffrage movements and she was scheduled to speak at — what is it — Seneca Falls maybe.

Rosanne: Seneca Falls because again Lydia Marie Child who she knew in her childhood right becomes a big leader of that. One of the founders of that event and of course she’d want Margaret Fuller. I mean, my god she’s world-known. She’s world-traveled. She’s the perfect example of what women can accomplish if they are not given the rules and requirements that society was forcing on them. Exactly what Seneca Falls was meant to counteract.

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19 What Have We Learned? from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

Transcript:

Tammy: You try to figure out so what have we learned from a woman who sort of goes beyond her station in life and accomplishes all these amazing things. Is it that she does get punished in the end or is it something, like I would love to have the idea of like her spirit, is just interrupted and shifted to a different plane or something because I think

Rosanne: That’s such a non-American way to think but it is the best yeah because I hate the other one you’re right. The other one’s terrible because it does like oh look you did everything against the rules and you paid for it which is not a message we want to share but the idea that maybe you achieved. It’s a little Jonathan Livingston Seagull. You’ve achieved the peak and now you move on to that next plane that we we don’t know. So we can’t understand.

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18 Tragedy from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

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Tammy: I can just imagine Margaret saying, I don’t want to be defined by this shipwreck.

Rosanne: Yes you don’t and yet it does and doesn’t. She still has all these other things going for her but we are — as humans — as Americans– that voyeuristic tragedy. That’s why we’re still talking about the Titanic. Really. I mean and how many movies do we need about that. It’s very difficult and yet a tragedy is a a narrative that we’re used to right? We do Romeo and Juliet a million times. There’s a reason for tragedies to exist but I don’t know because I guess in Romeo and Juliet we learned the lesson that the parents being so separate caused this — that we could stop the hatred. It’s the same in West Side it’s a whole West Side Story. Stop the hatred because this is what it leads to. There’s a message. There is no message to her loss. We’ve learned nothing from that and I think that’s why it’s harder because I’ve tried to do I would love to do a Margaret Fuller movie but that part of it is just too sad for people to want to take on.

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17 A Fateful Voyage from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

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Tammy: It’s this you know long terrible voyage. Everybody gets sick. I think her child gets all like almost violently ill for a couple of days and they’re actually concerned that he’s not going to survive but then you know he miraculously gets better and it’s like this it’s this Hollywood story of like you know just you just have to keep fighting because you know. Fight through one more trial. Fight through one more trial and they literally get to Fire Island in New York, just off the shore of Fire Island, and do you want to talk about the storm, or do you want to talk about this moment?

Rosanne: The combination of the storm and the crashing and what kills me is you’re so close but you can’t swim that far unless you’re like an excellent swimmer and that nobody — there are people that literally loot the boat and the stuff that’s falling off in the water. They’re more interested in getting the free stuff they can sell than the people from there to here and it’s not that far. It’s so not that far and you’re on the boat — just like the Titanic — knowing that you have no way out. I mean that’s — we’re talking a good eight or ten hours of understanding that you’re going to die and you can’t do anything about it. I can’t even — I can’t even — I can’t even imagine that.

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16 The Trip Home from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

Transcript:

Rosanne: I mean it sounds like such a smart idea. I mean you know it is the classic let’s ride the Titanic because it’s the opening voyage and it’s going to be the coolest thing to do and you’re like no no no no no. Take the next boat.

Tammy: Exactly yeah and so I had mentioned, she had nightmares when she was a kid and these were nightmares that involved drowning and being subsumed in the waves and this is like a recurring idea in her life and even before she takes off she tells, I think one of her one of her poet friends, I’m gonna forget her name now but she tells this dream to one of her friends like the night before she leaves and she’s afraid of not surviving the trip and the trip is horrible right? I think the captain actually dies. So the first mate or whatever is in charge and he doesn’t really know how to read things like maps. He doesn’t really know about things like rocks.

Rosanne: Yes well the idea of the shoals and how close do you get and all those things…

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15 Fuller, History, and Back to America from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

Transcript:

Tammy: She’s right at the front lines. She’s doing all of these dispatches and then she’s also writing essentially the history of this very tight period right? So she goes like what was it like 1847 something like that. The quote that I read was from 1848…

Rosanne: …and her plan was to document the whole thing which would have been such an incredible (thing) from an American perspective and with this idea of we did it and now you’re doing it too and of course, Italy will complete this in 1860 which is when we’re breaking apart right? So it’s an interesting parallel history. Yeah, I think my biggest regret is I want — I wanted to read that book right and it’s gonna go down.

Tammy: Let’s talk about the most heartbreaking piece of this story because Margaret has been fighting her whole life to get recognized. She has done all the hard work. She’s literally shown up at the battlefield right and in addition to all of the work that she’s done for women, she’s also fought to have a beautiful marriage — that is a love marriage. It’s legal and she has a child which I you know as a as a woman you know we wouldn’t necessarily call her a feminist but I like of her day I think she was a pretty strong feminist and she might not have ever had that vision for herself. So she has this beautiful vision. She has a manuscript. She has like an 18-month-old child. She has a new husband and she says, “Why don’t I go back to America”, right?

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