Research – Page 7 – On Screenwriting and Media with Dr. Rosanne Welch

25 Filippo Mazzei from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

In researching and writing my book on Giuseppe and Anita Garibaldi and the unification of Italy (A Man Of Action Saving Liberty: A Novel Based On The Life Of Giuseppe Garibaldi) I re-discovered the first American female war correspondent – Margaret Fuller — who I had first met in a college course on the Transcendentalists. I was once again fascinated by a life lived purposefully.

Then I found Tammy Rose’s podcast on the Transcendentalists – Concord Days – and was delighted when she asked me to guest for a discussion of Fuller’s work in Italy as both a journalist – and a nurse. — Rosanne

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

Transcript:

Rosanne: Now, the other thing is we’re a weird country because I also did a book on this guy, Filippo Mazzei. He’s an Italian who comes to the United States in the 1700s and lives on the plantation next door to Thomas Jefferson and Mazzei didn’t use slaves. He brought Italian serfs — who were not treated great — but were not owned to work though. He wanted to grow wine in Virginia. He thought to bring the wine business to Virginia and he’s the guy — this is off topic — but he wrote “All men are created equal” in a pamphlet that he worked with Jefferson and he was invited to the Continental Congress but he couldn’t — he spoke — he wrote English and five other languages but he didn’t think he could keep up with the verbal debate fast enough, so he’s not in the movie 1776 because he didn’t go but when Jefferson wrote the Declaration he cribbed that phrase and I’m not making this up because the Congress in like the 80s or something did actually put that into the Congressional Record. That’s where that first phrase first appeared in America was from this Italian immigrant.

Tammy: I love it. I love it.

Rosanne: I know this is normal as anyone because he owned land and he was just one of the many people living here like the Scots but there wasn’t a flood of Italians. It’s in the early part of the 1900s when we get the flood of poor Italians. It’s the poor immigrants we never want. The rich guys we’re okay with.

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24 Italians In America from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

Transcript:

I was just going to say, yes, I wouldn’t exactly use the word parallel because of course Italians were never slaves but actually, some who were shipped here were mistakenly sold into slavery because they could speak the language and nobody understood and they were dark. There are stories of that and of course, the biggest lynching — the most — the largest mass lynching in America happened to a group of Italian men in Louisiana. That’s post-slavery now. Yeah it was and they weren’t considered white because of that now and largely we’re talking about southern Italians, Sicilians, and southern Italians because northern Italians look more swiss. They look more german. They are blonder and blue-eyed. It’s Frank Sinatra versus Dean Martin. So any group that comes into this country, sadly, we sort of do the whole oh you’re at the bottom of the barrel. It would say you know no dogs or dagos allowed you know. No dagos should apply for this job. There was discrimination. I’m two generations away from that so it didn’t happen to me but I understood that it happened to my grandfather and I understood how that got in his way.

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23 Why Return to the US? from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

Transcript:

Tammy: So here’s a question that I’m never really sure. Were they were coming for a visit or were they coming to move permanently or was it sort of…

Rosanne: I believe the idea was they were going to move permanently because she could do more work there and she wanted to publish the book and it had to be published in the United States. So even if — yeah maybe not permanent the wrong way to say it — it was going to be a period of time so that piece could be done and the kind of — she knew that the United States needed to come and support what was happening in Italy as well. So I think it’s twofold. Her career is gonna move forward with this and he’s thinking he’s gonna help get the kind of support because Garibaldi lived in the states for a little bit too after one of his failures. So he knew that if you got people there on your side you would have the support you needed. So they had business reasons, as well as I’m sure she kind of wanted to show off her kid to her friends, because as you said earlier, that wasn’t part of her planned life story and when I was a kid I was never going to have kids because I thought that’s not something I want to do and then Ii changed my mind at 32 because a writer friend of mine actually said if you want to be a writer and you want all the experiences that a writer can have, you’re turning down an experience that only half the planet can have and it was it a conversation which again makes me think about Margaret talking to these women. What are the possibilities in your life and what have you told yourself you should or shouldn’t do based on what society will say about you and I did think having a kid would get in the way of having a career and then I realized no because you could do it your way and Margaret did right I think in that moment, in those periods in her life, she was really happy and I think that was you know the other reason she wanted to come back and show everybody, look I did it all.

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17 More On Joan Didion…from “Female Creatives & A Star Is Born” [Video]

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So she brings a journalistic background to this. She brings feminism to this in a way that maybe it didn’t appear as much in that this is Barbra Streisand not only is she acting in this piece, she’s producing it right? She’s the first woman producer on this movie. So she has final say and one of the things she makes sure happens is when they get married she does the proposing to her John Norman Maine. When they have their ceremony there’s a whole little piece of dialogue where she says oh skip that obey part. Obey doesn’t happen. She has a female minister marrying them and Kris is in a white tux. Men usually wear black to their weddings but if the girl has to wear white and pretend to be a virgin why shouldn’t a boy right? So there’s something visual here right that a woman has planned this scene and one of the changes will bring to this Esther is that she’s going to hyphenate her last name. She will be Esther Hoffman-Howard and that will be how she announces herself at the end. So we’re getting some movement of the feminist world coming into this through Joan and John himself also a feminist because he’s married to a woman who is equally comfortable. Now they’re bringing a marriage to it right but their marriage is happy all their life. They didn’t have issues over whose novel made more money last year.

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Connections at conferences matter! Through the most recent SCMS, I met Vicki Callahan, whose film history focus right now is on Mabel Normand. When she learned I could put together a lecture on the importance of the female voice in the A Star is Born franchise she asked me to give that lecture to her master students.

It made for a great opportunity for me to hone the ideas I’m working on for a chapter on that franchise that I’m writing for a new book from Bloomsbury: The Bloomsbury Handbook Of International Screenplay Theory. It’s always nice when one piece of research can be purposed in other ways – and it’s always fun revisiting such a female-centric film franchise – one that drew the talents of such powerful performers as Janet Gaynor, Judy Garland, Barbara Streisand, and Lady Gaga.

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22 Giovanni Angelo, Marchese Ossoli from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

Transcript:

Tammy: So talk about him (Giovanni Angelo) a little bit more because I feel like he’s sort of this figure and you know I want to imagine him in my mind as sort of like this you know super handsome — maybe not the rich guy but you know definitely — the man of quality that we all aspire to meet.

Rosanne: Well he went against his family as well because they were not for the united unification of Italy. So he lost his he — they wrote him off if you will. So that’s why it doesn’t have any money. He’s not going to inherit any and the family does have lands and all that stuff but they were against the unification and many people were because they were happy with whichever country was running their section of Italy or they didn’t appreciate the king and they didn’t want the king to be king over all of Italy or lots of different reasons that they were against it and so yeah they write him off and because he married her and she wasn’t Catholic and this is huge obviously back in the day.

I actually tell the story. My mom put together her brother — three children of Sicilian immigrants — only one son — my mother put her brother together with a woman who wasn’t Catholic and they fell in love and they got married. She did become Catholic because you know she converted because she knew she had to but on the day of the wedding my mother was a maid of honor. My grandmother was tying the bow on her dress and as she walked out into the church the last thing her mother said to her was I’ll never forgive you for this. That was 1950 in America. That was like you this is a mismatched marriage.

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16 Joan Didion…from “Female Creatives & A Star Is Born” [Video]

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We bring in Joan and John. So in this third version, we’re going to have another female writer with her imprint on this movie. She’s going to change a few things. She is a journalist. She’s worked in New York. She’s worked out of Sacramento. She’s covered the hippie generation. She particularly wrote this lovely piece — a book called The White Album where she looked at the culture of her day and she studied The Doors. She was fascinated by The Doors and their popularity and the way that Jim Morrison just blew up in American culture right? She in fact called them the missionaries of apocalyptic sex right? Look at this beautiful picture of this young man right? Sadly he’s going to be one of the guys who dies young right. He’s going to join the Jimi Hendrix and you know that whole team of people that we’ve lost too young in life but now Joan is writing this new version and she’s going to make the new people rock and roll stars. So we’re going to move out of acting — move out of musical theater — we’re going to move into the rock world. So right away she’s patterning things on Jim Morrison. Look at this picture of Kris Kristofferson. This is Kris Kristofferson young. This is Jim Morrison. Look how close they are. You could almost mix them up right? So Joan immediately is having this vision of who is this new Norman Maine and because Norman is not such a cool name in the 70s, he’s John Norman Maine, right? So we’re going to make a little change.

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21 The Husband from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

Transcript:

…But she (Anita Garibaldi) knew that she had created her children and that she lived a life of love. Which is true of Margaret as well. She found a man, as you said earlier, that she could love who loved her for who she was and didn’t expect her to give that up in order to be his wife, and that had to be crazy because he was an Italian, right? He’s from an earlier era. We’re not even talking about feminism in Italy at the time. So that fact that he was open to that..he is a fascinating character that we, of course, lost any chance to understand more deeply through her.

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15 1976…from “Female Creatives & A Star Is Born” [Video]

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1976 comes along and this is Barbra Streisand and Kris Kristofferson. So 54 or jump into 76. It’s kind of like once every generation there’s an interest and a need for this movie. Partially because female creatives, whether they be writers or actresses, see this as a great piece to work from and a great way to reflect on their moment in culture right? So this is a big fancy deal. Look at these great photographs. Let me tell you, this is going to be written by Joan Didion and John Gregory Dunn. They are a married couple who write their own novels as you see here and work out of New York. They get hired to do this and Joan is going to have her own imprint on it. We’re going to see that in a second. I also want to highlight the fact that John Gregory Dunn wrote this marvelous book if you’ve never read it called Monster: Living Life Off the Big Screen. It’s about the writing of this film Up Close and Personal, which was meant to be the story of Jessica Savitch, an anchorwoman who died when she was high on cocaine and drove her car into a lake and drown and by the time they were done it had nothing to do with her at all and so this tells you the eight-year struggle to get the movie made out of the Disney company. It’s a really a good inside look at how writers and producers work with studios.

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20 What Might Have Been? from Concord Days: Margaret Fuller in Italy [Video]

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Concord Days sends love to Margaret Fuller on the anniversary of her death in 1850.

The conversation focuses on Margaret’s exciting days in ITALY!

Dr. Rosanne Welch takes us through her adventures and enthusiastically reminds us what she was like when she was living her best life!

Transcript:

Tammy: Exactly because I think she was coming back to participate in a lot of the early feminist or like women’s like Suffrage movements and she was scheduled to speak at — what is it — Seneca Falls maybe.

Rosanne: Seneca Falls because again Lydia Marie Child who she knew in her childhood right becomes a big leader of that. One of the founders of that event and of course she’d want Margaret Fuller. I mean, my god she’s world-known. She’s world-traveled. She’s the perfect example of what women can accomplish if they are not given the rules and requirements that society was forcing on them. Exactly what Seneca Falls was meant to counteract.

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14 What Changed?…from “Female Creatives & A Star Is Born” [Video]

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So let’s look at what changed. First, we’ve got to move her into it being a musical star because this is Judy Garland. She’s going to have to sing musical numbers in this particular remake. We’re still going to have our drunken actor and they’re going to marry and he’s going to be jealous. This is something that remains the same all the way until we get to Bradley Cooper and we’ll talk about why that changes. We’re going to have our Academy Award moment because musicals were things that earned Academy Awards back in the day of course. He’s going to commit suicide off-screen. He’s going to walk off into the ocean as the noble man that he is and she too will introduce herself as Mrs. Norman Maine. So these things remain exactly the same. When the Writer’s Guild arbitrates a script to decide who should get final credit, they look at all versions of a script. They have a blind group of writers who sign up to do this and they get the scripts –writer one, writer two, writer three. You don’t get any names and then you decide statistically how much of a percentage of this person’s original work made it to the end and that’s how they decide credit. So I am looking at this as if I’m arbitrating the various versions of this script to see how much credit Dorothy Parker still deserves. In this case, I think a lot right? They’re borrowing a lot of what she did.

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